[HACC] [c3sus] TW: TAKEOVER ATTEMPT OF HACC

[aimee at ecohackerfarm.org]

Thank you Blipp....

Before I get involved and considering that I have very limited time 
capacity - David could you please state in your view if there could be 
any possibility of reaching an understanding that may involve some 
compromise from your side?

I address you first since I know you personally and I trust you will be 
honest with me.

Love

Aimee

On 26/08/2021 15:23, Benjamin Lipp wrote:
> As the original message was cross-posted to hacc and c3sus, I am cc'ing
> the hacc mailing list.
>
> For those of us who are only subscribed to c3sus but not to hacc: I
> suggest that we continue the discussion solely on the hacc mailing list.
> So I want to suggest that those interested subscribe to the hacc mailing
> list: https://hacc.uber.space/mailman/listinfo/hacc
> That way we can avoid cross-posting and the “net-splitting” effects it
> will occasionally have.
>
> On 26/08/2021 14:05, aimee at ecohackerfarm.org wrote:
>> Before it turns into a full blown out war, would it be possible to
>> organise a chat with HACC Munich about it? Perhaps there are grounds
>> for collaboration and compromise?
> I tried to mediate over the course of a few weeks/months, but have not
> been effective enough. If somebody else has time and enthousiasm to step
> up and try a different angle, that could be great!
>
> Cheers,
> blipp
>
> On 26/08/2021 14:05, aimee at ecohackerfarm.org wrote:
>> Before it turns into a full blown out war, would it be possible to
>> organise a chat with HACC Munich about it? Perhaps there are grounds for
>> collaboration and compromise?
>>
>> On 25/08/2021 19:42, David Potocnik wrote:
>>> Dear HACC. A group operated from Munich is trying to takeover OUR name
>>> and work, and nuke the open consensus model we have *consciously* and
>>> *explicitly* decided on, and maintained as HACC in the past.
>>>
>>> With OUR name, WITHOUT consulting us, or seeking our consent or
>>> permission, in the last year a German company (with a bank account)
>>> was started by a group from Munich. Also, new "hacc.space
>>> <http://hacc.space>" and "hacc.earth" domain names were squatted by
>>> them, read-only & controlled by their self-styled "administrators".
>>> This was made to replace zero-barrier open sites (wiki, pads) which we
>>> as HACC agreed to *explicitly and by repeated consensus*.
>>>
>>> This is not just my opinion.
>>>      1) It was discussed and clearly upheld in recent HACC meetings,
>>> primarily 2021-04-25 (https://pad.hacc.space/20210425
>>> <https://pad.hacc.space/20210425>, attendance: dcht00, blipp of c3sus,
>>> ryozkuken, lies, peter of hacc.wiki, rw for hacc muc). We were
>>> supported by others without exception in the chat room & in private.
>>>      2) After talking, in great length, to others who founded &
>>> contributed most to HACC, I realized we agree that HACC Munich is
>>> performing a takeover, but they *feel it cannot be stopped, so they
>>> don't care to try*.
>>>
>>> I do not share this cynicism. I will
>>>      1) Continue to oppose & revert this attempt for HACC to become a
>>> "brand" managed from Munich, to serve their activities
>>> *    2) Not let HACC Munich coopt MY work, or the work of all of YOU
>>> **that**I have facilitated*
>>>
>>> I will be at the jitsi meeting as well, today.
>>>
>>> We have been more concrete about what needs to be done before. In
>>> short, the company "HACC eV" needs to immediately point the squatted
>>> websitesto consensus tools, pause company activities, and seek a
>>> consensus approval of its activities in the name of HACC, by the HACC
>>> community.
>>>
>>> The last is of course *impossible* before the next in-person HACC
>>> meeting, at Congress. If HACC Munich was to get comparable in person
>>> consensus, 100+ people, to *at minimum democratically* support their
>>> ideas, I (and I believe othersopposing them) will be happy to give
>>> way. But until then, HACC Munich, *you are forcing yourself**on other
>>> people*. You have been told this a lot of timesand it is time you
>>> start listening.
>>>   
>>> *TLDR, for HACC Munich - do NOT*
>>> *    1) squat domain names, or social media accounts, with the name of
>>> a consensus community which elected to have other & open ones!*
>>> *    2) register a company with the name of a consensus community
>>> without consulting it!*
>>>
>>> Stay cool*
>>>
>>> David/dcht00
>>>
>>> (Who am I?? I facilitated the participation of over two hundred people
>>> in HACC, at the 35c3 and 36c3 HACC forums & as the host of the HACC
>>> collaborative work pads & index since the start, at
>>> https://totalism.org/hacc <https://totalism.org/hacc>)
>>>
>>>