[HACC] TW: TAKEOVER ATTEMPT OF HACC

[Benjamin Lipp]

Just a quick fyi,

On 28/08/2021 15:10, Benjamin Lipp wrote:
> – If you want to talk about any of the points laid out in this email
>   with me, please reach out. For example, I think it is a good idea to
>   invite me to one of your next plenaries.

I have been invited and will attend today's plenary.

– blipp




> On 26/08/2021 14:28, Peter wrote:
>> 1. I should have realized that registering domains could be
>> problematic
>> – but I did not, as it went so uncontested with hacc.wiki,
> 
> I think nobody would ever have contested the hacc.wiki domain, because
> Seth announced the domain in the already cited email, kind of making it
> part of the HACC bootstrapping:
> 
> On 03/01/2019 07:53, seth wrote:
>> Peter was nice enough to quickly register/find some domains, and the
>> wiki is already reachable at https://hacc.wiki, […]
> 
> 
> 
> David, in case it is still not going forward, a next option I see is
> asking the CCC Arbitration Board if they would take on this case [2],
> although they might judge that it is outside their usual activity area,
> which seems to be issues immediately arising from or during CCC events.
> 
> – blipp
> 
> 
> [1] There are surely many flavours of vetoed consensus. The flavour that
> was introduced in the beginning of HACC, the one used by the Premium
> collective, roughly: expects you to only veto a decision if you really
> cannot support it/live with it, in an effort to let the collective stay
> operational.
> 
> [2] https://help.ccc.de/arbitration/index.en.html
> 
> [3]
> https://gitlab.infra4future.de/hacc/verein/satzung/-/blob/master/hacc_eV_Satzung_en.md
> 
> On 26/08/2021 14:28, Peter wrote:
>> Dear David,
>> dear all,
>>
>> since David mentioned me, I have been "active" in HACC from early on
>> with hacc.wiki and also am a founding member of HACC e.V. (which is NOT
>> a company, but a registered voluntary association,    that is also
>> charitable organization, see [0]), I need to comment on this issue.
>>
>> While the Munich Local Chapter [1], which has been joined by many people
>> not present at the original sessions at 35C3, may have overstepped
>> boundaries with registering domains, and may not have represented the
>> entirety of HACC properly on the websites put up on those domains, I
>> really would not call this "squatting" or a "takeover". It happened in
>> what I would call a "HACCy spirit" even. It's more a failure of
>> communicating this properly to each and everybody.
>>
>> I recall debating the name of the association a lot, and we considered
>> limiting it to Munich by name. We did not do so for a reason: We wanted
>> this organization to be open for everybody, that does something that
>> fits under the broad envelope of "HACCy things", and might want to use a
>> legal entity for that. I believe the statutes [2] make that quite clear.
>>
>> I see this miscommunication in large part as my fault, as
>>
>> 1. I should have realized that registering domains could be problematic
>> – but I did not, as it went so uncontested with hacc.wiki,
>> 2. I should have pressed for announcing the foundation of a legal entity
>> here on this list, in order to enable everybody to speak up for or
>> against it,
>> 3. I should have made all this public on the wiki.
>>
>> I, however, did fail to so (for a variety of reasons I don't want to
>> discuss), and I have later not been able to make this clear, lacking
>> eloquence and energy at the April meeting David mentioned.
>>
>> I ask everyone to carefully consider this mail before a future congress
>> (which I am unlikely to attend at this point) and potentially further
>> outrage. I am not a scholar in governance, reaching proper consensus or
>> communicating effectively, just some dude who set up a Wiki. Mistakes
>> have been made, but not with bad intentions, which is important.
>>
>> There's enough that must be fought for in this world, and we won't be
>> able to fight the climate crisis when we wear each other out with
>> infighting.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> (If someone wants to take over hacc.wiki from here on, please get in touch!)
>>
>> [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_association_(Germany)
>> [1] https://muc.hacc.earth/
>> [2]
>> https://gitlab.infra4future.de/hacc/verein/satzung/-/blob/master/hacc_eV_Satzung_en.md,
>> german:
>> https://gitlab.infra4future.de/hacc/verein/satzung/-/blob/master/hacc_eV_Satzung.md
>>